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CoconutKid
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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: Tropico - Version 3 |
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May we have a new thread about Tropico ?
The old-timers have learned that Haemimont Games has undertaken to develop a very new version - should it be called a sequel? - to the original, 'dictator' version.
We are trying to level off from jumping with joy to trying to figure out if we can make a serious contribution to the new version of our beloved game.
Most of us recognize that you have a serious time crunch to rewrite the entire code and publish by the 3rd quarter of 2009.
We also want the original "flavor" of the game to be preserved.
There is a big gap between us. Please feel free to stop by Cafe Tropico where we hang out:
http://tropico.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/cafe/index.php
We wish to be helpful !
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el_malo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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As someone who has played Tropico for awhile, over 7 years, I hope that someone involved with Trop3 will make a habit of visiting Cafe Tropico.
Re-invigorating the player-base now, will help with sales, when Trop3 is released. |
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sedmi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I had lots of fun in Cafe Tropico reading the posts.
I do like some of them.
fears that t3 will be a 'shoot em up' game because Haemimont Games is bulgarian company are baseless. I don't know any bulgarian game devs with shooter game.
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el_malo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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sedmi, glad you stopped by.
I hope you got your complimentary rum fizzy
Come again and give us the straight scoop. |
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CoconutKid
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Welcome to Cafe Tropico |
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| sedmi wrote: | | ... fears that t3 will be a 'shoot em up' game because Haemimont Games is bulgarian company are baseless. ... |
>sedmi< We are delighted that you enjoyed your visit.
 I am very embarrassed that my remarks about game developers were taken as being especially critical of Bulgarians. That is certainly not the case. I know a bit about Bulgaria, a country which tries to be a peaceful bridge between Europe and the Near East. My suspicions are not directed at Bulgaria, but at game marketing departments in general. Smash marketing departments!
You should see what I have to say about American game developers who produce nothing but bloody, crime ridden violence. 
We hope you come back. Please ask for a tour guide if there are specific sights you wish to see. The 'wish-list' thread is perhaps not the most thoughtful thread of its type available.
There is a great thread here:
http://tropico.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/cafe/index.php?topic=9134.0
 I have a lot of posts there.
Kind regards, BaldJim |
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sedmi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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we know well this wish list.
our designers are tropico fans and several ideas for enhancing the game play already match with some points in the wish list.
I really do not understand the fear of that Tropico 3 to be developed by bulgarian studio.
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btw, Bulgaria doesn't try to be peaceful bridge. We are peaceful and tolerant. we have no ethnic or religious conflicts, we are fine with all nations in the world.
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and yes, we are former comunist country but this doesn't mean that we are stupid and less creative than other people in the world.
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for the game. it's a bit early to reveal specific game details. the way to do that is official press releases by the publisher.
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el_malo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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sedmi, CoconutKid does not actually have a problem with a Bulgarian company developing T3.
It is residue from the player-base being treated like fecal matter... by Take-Two and Pop-Top.
They both treated their customers badly and with arrogance.
As we get to know y'all better, and you guys get to know us better, attitudes will change.
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TeamStar
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| sedmi wrote: | we know well this wish list.
our designers are tropico fans and several ideas for enhancing the game play already match with some points in the wish list. |
Glad to ear that!
Of course we don't expect for you to satisfy all the wishes in that list, half of it would be fine.
TeamStar from the Café |
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Anguille2
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: |
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As a long time player of Haemimonts games, i can only confirm that they make some of the finest games in the industry. Quality is their first goal...the first 5 games they have made are all 2D (so no focus on high end graphics) and still they are the best RTS games i've played so far. They also have some of the most talended artists (check the amazing artwork for Rising Kingdoms) in the industry. Anyway, there are other great companies in the region who don't make shooters (check Haegemonia, Knights of Honor, etc.)...
You really shouldn't worry...Tropico 3 will be a fantastic game.
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TeamStar
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Imperium Romanum really looks nice. I just hope the feeling of the Caribbean won't be lost.
Is there any chance that Trop3 will be released for Mac?... |
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CoconutKid
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| sedmi wrote: | | ... I really do not understand the fear of that Tropico 3 to be developed by bulgarian studio. ... |
Please let me try again. I am NOT afraid of development by a Bulgarian Studio. Not in the least!
But I am surprised to find so many folks who are knowledgeable about the Caribbean in the 1950's and about the history of Latin American dictators in the mid-20th century all working in that Bulgarian Studio.
Tropico does rely on some factual grounding in that segment of history. While Bulgaria has many positive things going for it, I (personally) did not picture it as being on the well beaten path of the history of the Caribbean and Central America.
| Quote: | | btw, Bulgaria doesn't try to be peaceful bridge. We are peaceful and tolerant. we have no ethnic or religious conflicts, we are fine with all nations in the world. |
I see that my language skills are inadequate. To me, "try to be" means not an inadequate or incomplete process when two sides are involved. What I was trying to say was that Bulgaria lives up to an ideal, but in the past (at least) other nations have not been tolerant of Bulgaria.
I shall appreciate it if you can put this business behind us. I admit that I made a stupid comment because Bulgaria seemed off the beaten path to me.
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Anguille2
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| CoconutKid wrote: |
But I am surprised to find so many folks who are knowledgeable about the Caribbean in the 1950's and about the history of Latin American dictators in the mid-20th century all working in that Bulgarian Studio.
Tropico does rely on some factual grounding in that segment of history. While Bulgaria has many positive things going for it, I (personally) did not picture it as being on the well beaten path of the history of the Caribbean and Central America.
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Don't really see your point here. Today, everyone, everywhere can have some good knowledge about Latin American Dictators or other historical aspects. Who do you believe has the best knowledge? As far as i know, there doesn't exist any good game producer in neither latin american country...
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| Anguille2 wrote: | | As a long time player of Haemimonts games, i can only confirm that they make some of the finest games in the industry. ... |
Anguille2:
Thank you most kindly for taking the time to reassure me.
Perhaps a small bit of my personal history will help the readers on this site to understand me better.
I play only a few computer games. I do not like games which force me to follow a rigid sequence of scenarios with no replay value. Once you have gone through the sequence, you are done and the game disk can go to eBay. If I enjoyed the game, that leaves an empty feeling. Cultures & #2, and 1602 A.D. & 1503 A.D. were of that variety. Refinement + corrections would have made them last far longer - for me.
Vitural Resort - Spring Break (known in Europe by a different name) was another interesting game which was far too rigid for more than one cycle. You all should know that it was in direct competition with the Tropico expansion Paradise Island and was one of the reasons the expansion was rushed to publication with some major errors in it. Breakaway worked with the fan base, but it was never fully repaired.
The Tropico fan base was delighted when #2 was announced. The folks at Frog City, to whom "PopTop" farmed out the development, were gracious to the fan base. Sadly the "Pirates" just did not compete with the other pirate games at that time. (Meanwhile PopTop itself was producing a real bust.)
So Tropico has been my gaming stand-fast over several years now. I have never seen anything published about any game in development which suggested it might be on a wrong track. Indeed the games which flop, fail, and are finally recorded as turkeys -- receive as much marketing promotion as the real keepers. I hope I will be pardoned for having such a narrow view of the games which last for years.
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CoconutKid
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| Anguille2 wrote: | | Don't really see your point here. Today, everyone, everywhere can have some good knowledge about Latin American Dictators or other historical aspects. Who do you believe has the best knowledge? As far as i know, there doesn't exist any good game producer in neither latin american country. |
That's a very sweet point well taken!
Yes, there's always Wikipedia or something equivalent. If I were to suggest that an appropriate island for a Tropico scenario would be Tristan da Cunha, anyone with an internet connection could form a 1,000 word reply - pro or con - in a half-hour or less.
I also know of no game producer in any Latin American country. There's probably not even one in Portugal (much less one who will publish for MAC). They (the Americas not Portugal) are struggling yet with the basics of water, food and shelter. So Bulgaria is far, far advanced.
Yes, I - the stupid fool - forget that knowledge of all things now rains down upon everyone like manna from heaven. Even Tropico the game mentions "Cliff's Notes" I believe.
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